Fans of Knives: September 19, 2018

This week, as expected, tweaks, hotfixes, nerfs, and buffs continue. For those that affect us, check out our changelog, ably maintained by Rfeann:

 

Uldir, the first raid of the expansion, is being conquered boss by boss. Kistler has collected tips and tricks to help us out. If you discover a something that isn’t included, let him know in the comments:

 

The artistic ability and creativity of our rogue community is second to none. This week we have an interview with Martin Veznaver of Made It Up Studios who made that amazing replica Heart Stopper Dagger Artifact Weapon:

 

Infexious has a whole bunch of new content for us. He has some insight on Assassination and how/why it plays:

He has the first of his Mythic Uldir guides:

And check out his You Tube channel to see rogue PoV mythic Uldir kills:

 

A few people are still having difficulty posting in Ravenholdt Discord. Due to the size of our Discord (it’s HUGE), we have had to make a few adjustments. If you are in Ravenholdt Discord and find that you can’t post, please try the following:

You will need to have a role assigned to you before you can post in most channels. Obtaining a role is simple just type one of the following  in the #bot-spam channel:

?outlaw
?assassination
?subtlety

Type it again and it will remove the role

If you do not want to affiliate with a specific spec we have a neutral role:

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Fans of Knives: September 12, 2018

Uldir Mythic and Raidfinder are now live. The first week of runs through Normal and Heroic have been accompanied by quite a few class changes, both hotfixes and tuning. Check out our Changelog to keep up on where we stand.

 

And that’s it – all the news fit to print. For good measure, here are couple of repeats from last week because they are good stuff:

There are a few sites that we highly recommend for optimizing your gear before you step up to that first boss:

If you have a favorite optimization site that we should know about, let us know.

 

A few people have been having difficulty posting in Ravenholdt Discord. Due to the size of our Discord (it’s HUGE), we have had to make a few adjustments. If you are in Ravenholdt Discord and find that you can’t post, please try the following:

You will need to have a role assigned to you before you can post in most channels. Obtaining a role is simple just type one of the following  in the #bot-spam channel:

?outlaw
?assassination
?subtlety

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Fans of Knives: September 5th, 2018

First raid is open! Uldir is live and dropping loot. There have been, of course, plenty of hotfixes and updates this week, but none are specific to us. Yay?

For a summary of rogue changes to date, check out our Changelog:

 

Infexious has his Assassination guide up. Check out his channel for a pre-raid tips and more:

 

Speaking of raiding, there are a few sites that we highly recommend for optimizing your gear before you step up to that first boss:

If you have a favorite optimization site that we should know about, let us know.

 

A few people have been having difficulty posting in Ravenholdt Discord. Due to the size of our Discord (it’s HUGE), we have had to make a few adjustments. If you are in Ravenholdt Discord and find that you can’t post, please try the following:

You will need to have a role assigned to you before you can post in most channels. Obtaining a role is simple just type one of the following  in the #bot-spam channel:

?outlaw
?assassination
?subtlety

Type it again and it will remove the role

If you do not want to affiliate with a specific spec we have a neutral role:

!member

Happy posting.

 

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Fans of Knives: August 29, 2018

With the first raid of Battle for Azeroth, Uldir, on the horizon, hotfixes have been coming hot and fast. Rfeann has updated our Changelog. Check it out for the latest updates to rogue:

 

This week we are treated to a plethora of new videos for our enjoyment. Infexious talks about Outlaw and Mythic Expeditions:

Skwiggle also talks about Outlaw and gives us a general rogue guide:

 

A few people have been having difficulty posting in Ravenholdt Discord. Due to the size of our Discord (it’s HUGE), we have had to make a few adjustments. If you are in Ravenholdt Discord and find that you can’t post, please try the following:

You will need to have a role assigned to you before you can post in most channels. Obtaining a role is simple just type one of the following  in the #bot-spam channel:

?outlaw
?assassination
?subtlety

Type it again and it will remove the role

If you do not want to affiliate with a specific spec we have a neutral role:

!member

Happy posting.

 

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Fans of Knives: August 22, 2018

This week is all about Infexious. He has a few new videos for us – Subtlety and gear are his watchwords of the week:

We are all used to Infexious’ videos but this week he has stepped out of his comfort zone and penned a written Subtlety guide to complement the above video guide. Check it out:

 

Follow Infexious on Twitter and let him know how much you appreciate all of his hard work:

 

A few people have been having difficulty posting in Ravenholdt Discord. Due to the size of our Discord (it’s HUGE), we have had to make a few adjustments. If you are in Ravenholdt Discord and find that you can’t post, please try the following:

You will need to have a role assigned to you before you can post in most channels. Obtaining a role is simple just type one of the following  in the #bot-spam channel at Ravenholdt:

?outlaw
?assassination
?subtlety

Type it again and it will remove the role

If you do not want to affiliate with a specific spec we have a neutral role:

!member

Happy posting.


The internet is full of wonderful rogues doing wonderful things and producing interesting content that furthers the interests and community of our class. Fans of Knives is Ravenholdt’s weekly community news roundup that links to the contributions of these rogues for your viewing pleasure. If you have produced rogue related content, feel free to email us at fans@ravenholdt.net and we will check it out. If you include “Fans” in the subject line we will be sure to see it. Follow us on Twitter @Ravenholdt.
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Fans of Knives: August 15, 2018

Legion is done and Battle for Azeroth is in full swing. Whether you land in Zandalar or Kul’Tiras, happy exploring!

Hotfixes as expected:

Hotfixes

  • Prey on the Weak increases damage dealt to the target by 5% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 10%).
  • Death from Above (PvP Talent) increases Eviscerate/Envenom/Dispatch damage dealt by 10% (was 15%).

Assassination 

  • Fixed a bug that caused Creeping Venom (PvP Talent)’s duration to be refreshed to a longer duration than intended.
  • Creeping Venom (PvP Talent)’s damage has been reduced by 50%.
  • Deadly Poison deals 20% less damage when engaged in combat with enemy players.
  • Vendetta increases damage dealt to the target by 20% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 30%).
  • Toxic Blade increases Poison damage dealt to the target by 20% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 30%).
  • Garrote deals 20% less damage when engaged in combat with enemy players.
  • Subterfuge causes Garrote to deal an additional 50% damage when cast from stealth in PvP situations (was 100%).
  • Crimson Tempest damage reduced by 10%.
  • Subterfuge bonus reduced to 80% (was 100%).

Outlaw

  • Plunder Armor (PvP Talent) reduces the target’s max health by 10% (was 15%).
  • Plunder Armor (PvP Talent) increases the Rogue’s max health by 10% (was 15%).
  • Thick as Thieves (PvP Talent) increases the damage you and your Tricks target deal by 10% (was 15%).
  • Brigand’s Blitz (Azerite Trait) is no longer gained from Control is King’s Adrenaline Rush.

Subtlety

  • Shuriken Combo increases Eviscerate damage by 3% per stack when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 5%).
  • Night’s Vengeance (Azerite Trait) effectiveness reduced by 66% in PvP situations.

 

Infexious has a couple of very pertinent guides:

 

And lastly but not leastly, a couple of enterprising rogues, Accomp and TheBackstabi, have created a new addon. This is not rogue specific, but it does let you create and join parties for World Quests, replacing some game functionality that was removed – World Quest Party, check it out:

 

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Fans of Knives: August 8, 2018

Hotfixes and tuning are happening and the past week brought us some changes.

Hotfixes

  • Assassination – All damage abilities reduced 4%.
  • Outlaw – All damage abilities reduced 3%.
  • Subtlety – All damage abilities reduced 4%.
  • Cloak of Shadows will now correctly clear any Hunter’s Mark debuffs from the Rogue when activated.

 

And Infexious has something new for us: the Rogue Cheat Sheet. This is an amazing insight into Infexious’ process which he is generously sharing with us. Check it out:

 

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The internet is full of wonderful rogues doing wonderful things and producing interesting content that furthers the interests and community of our class. Fans of Knives is Ravenholdt’s weekly community news roundup that links to the contributions of these rogues for your viewing pleasure. If you have produced rogue related content, feel free to email us at fans@ravenholdt.net and we will check it out. If you include “Fans” in the subject line we will be sure to see it. Follow us on Twitter @Ravenholdt.
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Fans of Knives: August 1, 2018

It is with great sadness that we have to announce the passing of an old friend. ShadowCraft, the rogue optimization tool, is no more. Rfeann has put together a brief history of the site that improved the lives and damage of countless rogues:

Speaking for myself, I have relied heavily on ShadowCraft in past expansions. From Antiarc’s striking artwork to the user friendly interface to the powerful engine behind the scenes, ShadowCraft helped make the onerous task of optimization significantly more pleasant. Thank you so much to all who contributed to this fantastic resource. It will be missed.

In other news, this week Infexious talks about our current best legendary:

 

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The internet is full of wonderful rogues doing wonderful things and producing interesting content that furthers the interests and community of our class. Fans of Knives is Ravenholdt’s weekly community news roundup that links to the contributions of these rogues for your viewing pleasure. If you have produced rogue related content, feel free to email us at fans@ravenholdt.net and we will check it out. If you include “Fans” in the subject line we will be sure to see it. Follow us on Twitter @Ravenholdt.
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ShadowCraft, the Longtime WoW Rogue DPS Optimizer, Casts Its Final Vanish

Forever Optimized: ShadowCraft 2010-2018

(ShadowCraft home page adaptation by Paryah)

When Battle for Azeroth officially launches on Aug. 14, rogue players will enter the fray without one of the oldest tools in their utility belts: ShadowCraft, the rogue-specific gear optimizer. Launched in 2010 as one of the WoW community’s first online DPS optimization tools, ShadowCraft’s all-volunteer development team recently decided that it will no longer update the software for Patch 8.0.1 and beyond.

The decision to retire ShadowCraft (or ShC, for short) after nearly eight years and four WoW expansions was bittersweet for the small group of developers that has maintained it for the past several years. “It doesn’t feel great,” said Fierydemise, who in addition to co-founding Ravenholdt was one of the leading rogue class theorycrafters of this decade, and who managed ShadowCraft’s class-modeling software engine since 2014. “ShC was the continuation of the theorycrafting tradition that really got me hooked on WoW theorycrafting,” he said. “I have a certain emotional attachment to it, and because it’s cool to work on a project that folks like Aldriana, the rogue theorycrafters I looked up to, had also worked on.”
 
In maintaining and updating ShadowCraft over the past few years, Fierydemise and his primary colleagues — fellow theorycrafter Mystler, and website developers Tamen and Aeriwen — had carried a torch initially lit by one of WoW’s most venerable rogue-centric number crunchers, Aldriana, during the Burning Crusade expansion. Aldriana once maintained a set of complex spreadsheets that players had to download to use — and that had to be re-downloaded each time a spell formula was updated or a new piece of gear was added. When he teamed up with fellow rogue player and web developer Antiarc to launch an interactive, internet-based evolution of the spreadsheet at the start of the Cataclysm expansion — which they named “Shadowcraft” after Shadowcraft Armor, the original Tier 1 rogue raid set — it was something of a revelation: Only a couple of other such tools existed at the time, and none were regarded as especially accurate when it came to helping rogue players maximize their DPS potential through gear improvements.
 
Over the years, even as Aldriana passed the theorycrafting torch to nextormento, then Pathal, then on to Fierydemise and finally Mystler — and as Antiarc yielded web development duties to people like Indz, Tamen, and Aeriwen — ShadowCraft retained a reputation as the most accurate tool available for PvE players who wanted to squeeze every last drop of damage out of their rogues. Usage of ShadowCraft peaked in late 2011, during the first raid tier of the Mists of Pandaria expansion, when over 100,000 people a month visited the site to load up their rogue’s WoW Armory page and click a button to see what gems and enchants they should use — or to see how much their DPS potential might go up or down by swapping out pieces of gear.
 
A screenshot of ShadowCraft's main optimization interface during the Legion expansion. (Credit: Tamen)

A screenshot of ShadowCraft’s main optimization interface during the Legion expansion. (Credit: Tamen)

 
In more recent years, usage of ShadowCraft has waned — based in part on how WoW itself has changed, and in part on how the player community has developed other increasingly reliable tools to help rogue players optimize their characters.
 
“Rogue specs have evolved a lot over the years,” Mystler, who joined the ShadowCraft project in 2017 and was critical in maintaining it through Legion, wrote in a farewell post. “Increased complexity made formulations harder, while the advantages of simulations and easier simulation access (e.g., via Raidbots) made [SimulationCraft] even more popular. ShadowCraft became mostly a job of updating it to match research already done elsewhere.”
 
Fierydemise agreed. “It comes down to time,” he said. “With one person working on the ShC engine, you need to implement class mechanic quirks, trinket quirks, set bonuses, and also the best known rotation. … That gets insane really fast.” In addition, ShadowCraft was never run by more than a small group of volunteers. “It was a niche rogue project with one or two people looking at the code,” he added. By comparison, projects like SimulationCraft openly cultivated a team vibe and actively recruited new talent, allowing it to grow in ways that have recently made it a more robust and reliable tool for rogue players than ShadowCraft.
 
Ultimately, the amount of time and effort required to maintain ShadowCraft became too great to justify updating it, Mystler and his colleagues decided. “I am glad to have been part of this team of awesome people, even if only for a fraction of its lifetime,” he wrote in his farewell post.
Tamen (left) and Fierydemise at PAX Prime

Tamen (left) and Fierydemise at PAX Prime in October 2015. (Credit: Fierydemise)

That sentiment is clearly shared by other members of the current ShadowCraft team, a group of volunteers spread across the planet and joined together by both a mutual love for WoW’s rogue class and a mutual passion for mathematical precision. “It’s been an adventure,” posted ShadowCraft developer Tamen, who for the past five years worked primarily on the web interface players used to optimize their characters. “I’m glad to have had the experience, and I’ve made a bunch of acquaintances in the Warcraft world that I definitely wouldn’t have otherwise.”

In the end, just shy of two million people used ShadowCraft during its nearly eight-year online life, according to traffic statistics provided by Aeriwen, who joined Tamen as a site developer in 2016. “I take solace that we were the last major modeling tool standing at least. And certainly the most interactive character optimization app,” Aeriwen wrote in a farewell post.
 
And, of course, on the internet, nothing really dies; although the ShadowCraft site (at shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com) is already non-functional and at some point will likely be taken down (as of this article, Tamen said the team hadn’t discussed what to do with the site itself beyond no longer updating it), the code at the heart of the DPS optimization tool will remain publicly available, as it always has — that includes Aldriana’s initial GitHub commit, the latest repositories, and just about everything in between.
 
But for the usually-faceless names behind ShadowCraft, the decision to shutter the project is bittersweet. “When I started on ShC, I was an aspiring developer, and since then I landed a development job and started a career in software development,” Aeriwen wrote in his farewell post. “And it is in no small part because of this project, and not the least because of the great developers that helped guide me on this project. … It is hard to express how saddened I was to discontinue ShadowCraft.”
 
Despite his sadness at its loss, though, Aeriwen still finds joy in what ShadowCraft represented. “Seeing it go while I also see myself moving away from the WoW community since starting my new career was surprisingly emotional,” he wrote. “So many people have put their time and passion into this game, and into the tools that players use; it speaks to the tremendous spirit of our fellow players, and why we all got so involved with this amazing community.”
 
The ShadowCraft home page during the Legion expansion

The ShadowCraft home page during the Legion expansion. (Credit: Tamen)

 
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Fans of Knives: July 25, 2018

Week two of the Battle for Azeroth prepatch is in full swing. As expected, a few hotfixes have been applied. Only one itty bitty one affects us specifically as a class:

Hotfixes

  • Subtlety: Fixed a bug where The First of the Dead did not work with Shadowstrike and Gloomblade.

In other hotfix news, confirmation that Demon Hunters are dirty thieves who steal from us:

  • Fixed a bug where boosting a Demon Hunter character or using a class trial Demon Hunter equipped the character with rogue gear.

 
Now that the changes are in game, Infexious has released his guides for each spec:

And so has Skwiggle:

A big thank you to these gents. Creating video guides is no small task.

 

This week I’d like to give a nod to Raidbots created by Seriallos. Over and over again as you are trying to figure out what is best for your rogue you will hear “sim yourself.” Raidbots makes that easy. You can figure out the best gear for you so you know what to farm, the best gear in your bags so you know what to wear, you can compare talents to see what works best with your gear, you can figure out what your stat weights are so you know how to gem and enchant. As rogues, this is huge for us. Most guides acknowledge that their stat and gear recommendations are a place to start and that you then want to sim to refine yourself. Raidbots gives you that, and more. So do it, sim yourself:

Do you have an optimization site that you love? Or a site that helps make you a better rogue? Let us know in the comments.

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